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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.11 21:08:00 -
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Thanks for the good words King Dave. But with the price of clones I think the battleship would actually be cheaper! LOL
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:42:00 -
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Ivellios,
"I think you are liars."
This is highly offensive. Perhaps you've seen our fleets of cruisers, high end frigates and industrials flying all over the place. How can we afford this with only a couple hundred members when we're "pooling" everything for a BP?
For your information we are a completely capitalistic corporation with a 10% corporate income tax that covers our HR, admin and defense expenses. Our entire framework is based upon INDIVIDUALISM and the ability of one or a small number of people to accumulate personal wealth as they see fit.
Yes, a couple of people did pay for this BP. For your information we had one member with over $120million isk after 10 days in the game. How you ask? Through alot of playing time, mining high end ore before that was nerfed then trading.
It IS possible to accumulate vast personal wealth at TTI. I for example don't play as much as I'd like (10-15 hrs a week) yet all my characters are in cruisers, I have several million dollars in the bank, I paid $700,000 in income tax LAST WEEK to TTI which is entirely used for administrative and defense expenses and NOT for purchasing items.
If you read our website you'd see TTI is a group of highly successful independent divisions (mining, defense, trading, financial, ventures) who use a real life model of economic success to play this game.
For example, a few days ago I needed some quick startup cash for a new venture. I had to talk to a financial planner and asked for a 1.5 million isk start up loan with a one week term. NO PROBLEM. I started my venture and next week will pay the loan off. I'd pay it off now but I dont get any rebate in the interest rate so why bother. I can use my cash to make more money in the meantime.
Several individuals DO own this blueprint. I'm sorry thats so hard for you to accept but perhaps you should look back at American history at the super-rich of days gone by like JD Rockefeller and the Vanderbilts. They did acquire vast wealth thru the capitalistic model.
Visit our website and look at what we're doing before you call us liars. TTI has NO pooled wealth so your claim we spent a vast portion of our assets is completely wrong.
Don't bother telling me to go play with the kiddies, I'm a 38 year old former business owner who has an idea of what capitalism can do. I apply the same lessons learned in real life to my play in EVE at TTI.
By the way - ANYONE can accumulate this type of wealth and you don't need to join TTI to do it (just so I'm not accused of recruiting here). Just take control of your work and build a good ecomonic model within your company. There are other companies out there with capitalistic systems that are also doing very well.
I'm not bragging about TTI at all. I'm stating a fact... Capitalism works for personal wealth. We get out of it exactly what we put into it.
Please refrain from calling me a liar (which you did because I'm part of TTI too).
Calladen Nimitz
TTI Executive
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 07:49:35
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 07:44:00 -
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"Yet your guild's contention is that just a "couple" of your members basicaly scraped together some loose change from the sofa to purchase a Scorpion blueprint and could have done so long ago if the "timing" had been right."
We don't operate like a guild but like a corporation. I konw its hard to accept that people who don't pool everything can succeed but look at your own playing history for a minute. Hasn't there always been some people who put in so much more then everyone else? Are all their assets pooled and divided up? Does some mindless exec make a decision who "deserves" what kind of ship or weapon?
At TTI I pay a 10% tax and use the other 90% to decide MYSELF what kind of ship I want. What tools I want. What skills I want. The money is mine. Just as in real life if I don't log on and play I've got nothing.
TTI is designed for the group of people who believe in working for what they get. Thats not to say others don't as well but we're looking for those people who have a desire to succeed. Have you ever seen people in real life who have achieved great personal success, happiness and wealth in real life? Have you thought "How did they do that?". It isn't an accident I assure you. Its a state of mind.
"Everything that taggert does is designed to give the appearance that you are elitist, special, more enlightend and somehow better than everyone else. I find your condecending attitude distasteful and I believe you would do and say what ever it took to maintain this facade. "
Well then we're really good at it arent we. We've managed to brainwash 200+ TTI members into believing our company mantra and reciting it on command. We've convinced 200+ people to lie on these forums and in game.
I've got nothing against you Ivellios so don't take this personally. We turn down far more members then we take in. It isn't because we're "elitest" or "stuck up" at all. We look for applicants with a certain mindset (in real life). Because as we've seen even as a game real life DOES affect how we play and think.
We're not a bunch of mindless zombies pooling our cash and dividing it equally. The fact you see TTI members in small frigates and noobie ships is proof of that. People earn their way and keep what they make. I myself hope to eventually spawn a company here at TTI (shipbuilding probably). EVERYONE at TTI has the option of submitting a proposal to start a company. We're open to all who have the individual desire to succeed and profit.
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 07:58:21
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Posted - 2003.06.13 08:05:00 -
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Shintai,
Excellent post. You've seen first hand then that people who do work for themselves do have a drive to succeed?
We're not criticizing the way anybody does business. If you want to start "Socialist Mining" and keep 100% of everything in a pool thats your right. It's not our place to judge how anybody else does anything. I'm not trying to disparage anybody playing the economic model that suits them best.
We're merely stating how we do it and that we've had success. In a year if you look at the most profitable companies in EVE I'm sure the capitalistic companies will be in the forefront, not because they are better, its nothing personal, but because the economic model is better. The praise we've received isnt sought after it just happend. I am very impressed with the individuals who bought this BP. I'm jealous of them for having 100's of millions of isk when I've only got a few million. I want more and I'm going to work for it!
Thats the capitalistic way of thinking.
Pooling works for some people and is fine with me. Some people like different cars and pizza. People don't have to like what everyone else does. But to call someone a liar (not you) because they are spiteful is really uncalled for.
I'd challenge all with a "sense of doubt" to try playing capitalist for a couple of months. You'll end up with some very wealthy players (and some not so wealthy). Like the real economy (in the US at least) there will be haves and have nots. YOU have to decide if you want the socialist model (I hate the "communist" phrase) where the government (corp) supports you or the capitalistic where you have a chance for riches but you have to work for it.
I choose capitalist.
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 16:15:40
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 08:05:00 -
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Shintai,
Excellent post. You've seen first hand then that people who do work for themselves do have a drive to succeed?
We're not criticizing the way anybody does business. If you want to start "Socialist Mining" and keep 100% of everything in a pool thats your right. It's not our place to judge how anybody else does anything. I'm not trying to disparage anybody playing the economic model that suits them best.
We're merely stating how we do it and that we've had success. In a year if you look at the most profitable companies in EVE I'm sure the capitalistic companies will be in the forefront, not because they are better, its nothing personal, but because the economic model is better. The praise we've received isnt sought after it just happend. I am very impressed with the individuals who bought this BP. I'm jealous of them for having 100's of millions of isk when I've only got a few million. I want more and I'm going to work for it!
Thats the capitalistic way of thinking.
Pooling works for some people and is fine with me. Some people like different cars and pizza. People don't have to like what everyone else does. But to call someone a liar (not you) because they are spiteful is really uncalled for.
I'd challenge all with a "sense of doubt" to try playing capitalist for a couple of months. You'll end up with some very wealthy players (and some not so wealthy). Like the real economy (in the US at least) there will be haves and have nots. YOU have to decide if you want the socialist model (I hate the "communist" phrase) where the government (corp) supports you or the capitalistic where you have a chance for riches but you have to work for it.
I choose capitalist.
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 16:15:40
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Posted - 2003.06.13 16:05:00 -
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I'm concerned that what I posted may be misconstrued. In no way am I calling a company that pools cash Marxist or "Karl Marx Mining". Likewise my reference to "mindless zombies" wasn't meant to imply the socialist model produces those but to refer to TTI members not being "brainwashed" to group-lie which is where it seemed this accusation was headed with the claims we "do anything" to make it appear we're superior. We are not superior and being successful automatically causes some people to dislike you (just as in real life). My choice of words was poor and I apologize.
I don't want people to think we're "pounding our chests" at TTI. We're genuinely proud of what we've accomplished and how the capitalist model has worked for us. I was merely responding to the accusation we were "liars" and nothing more.
I hope people don't get the wrong impression by what I had written. It was done so after a long day at work with little sleep..... just as in real life my words could have been chosen better.
Lets move beyond accusations and recriminations and continue to earn money in anticipation of the Scorpion being on the market soon....... ISK FOR ALL!
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 16:22:30
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.06.13 16:05:00 -
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I'm concerned that what I posted may be misconstrued. In no way am I calling a company that pools cash Marxist or "Karl Marx Mining". Likewise my reference to "mindless zombies" wasn't meant to imply the socialist model produces those but to refer to TTI members not being "brainwashed" to group-lie which is where it seemed this accusation was headed with the claims we "do anything" to make it appear we're superior. We are not superior and being successful automatically causes some people to dislike you (just as in real life). My choice of words was poor and I apologize.
I don't want people to think we're "pounding our chests" at TTI. We're genuinely proud of what we've accomplished and how the capitalist model has worked for us. I was merely responding to the accusation we were "liars" and nothing more.
I hope people don't get the wrong impression by what I had written. It was done so after a long day at work with little sleep..... just as in real life my words could have been chosen better.
Lets move beyond accusations and recriminations and continue to earn money in anticipation of the Scorpion being on the market soon....... ISK FOR ALL!
Calladen Nimitz
Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 13/06/2003 16:22:30
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